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  great must see video!

  by haboob48 in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  having trouble getting video to post sorry..hope the link works.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bhl-x1u0cua .

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  Excellent!
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  STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH! Possible shift in position from the WTBTS on the global vs local deluge.

  by marmot in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a buddy of mine recently sent me a link to the official wtbts facebook page and i thought what the hey, let's see what they have to say about the question that made me fade in the first place.

  much to my surprise, they answered!

  you may already be aware that the general position of jehovah's witnesses is briefly stated here:.

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  I think they are saying they have flooded the planet with bullshit and they are really just a real estate laundering scam and the gig is up.

  Or something.
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  Sense of Mortality, Existential Angst and Leaving the Borg

  by Frazzled UBM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  firstly apologies if i am stating the bleeding obvious or covering something that has already been covered or just showing my ignorance as someone who wasnever a jw - i am new here and relatively new in my exposure to the wbts organisation and its dogma.

  the thing that has occurred to me is that born-in jws and middle-age jws must avoid the teenage existential angst of really getting a sense of their own mortaility and the middle age crisis of realizing that their best years are behind and they on the long downhill slide, because they expect to live forever.

  i always wondered why teenage jws are goody two-shoes while they are believers and often go off the rails, even as 20 or 30 something adults, when they wake up and i figure that, apart from the fact that they are no longer being told what is right and wrong and all of a sudden have to work it out for themselves, this may related to the expectation that you will not physically die.

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  I used this in my child custody battle and gave it to the judge, mediator, and two attorneys. To my surprise the judge said he was grateful and "learned something" when he decided the case. I ended up with > 50 percent custody (total time) of my two daughters. I patterned a lot of it of the "Normal Life Cycle" in the Western Culture. I wanted the judge to understand my game plan.

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  An Education Mode l To Building Bridges With

  Children Of Jehovah ’ s Witness . A Modular

  Approach .

  An education model could help children of Jehovah’s witness to experience a

  balanced and fulfilling life. This thesis is based on:

  1. Education of a Normal Life Cycle of the individual and family.

  2. Education through story telling and life experience.

  3. Education through positive self talk, goal setting, and thinking about things that are desired.

  4. Education RE: pleasing personality, positive mental attitude, and definite major purpose.

  5. Education RE: strategies of achievement.

  6. Recognizing one’s gifts.

  7. Using a “Team Approach” to educate children of jehovah’s witnesses.

  RATIONAL: The children are the life blood of the Jehovah witness (JW) organization.

  Without the ‘born ins’ and education through isolation and control the JW organization

  has nothing. There is nothing inspirational about a ink printing magazine and largest

  tree killing company known to modern man. This may have worked in the 1950′s when

  there was no educational material to speak; and teaching a kid to read or write was

  attuned to anointing their head with oil. That doesn’t work in this day and age. There is

  nothing awe inspiring about a 1950′s building or a big logo from the 1980′s on the side

  of a building. Nothing there to take your breath away.

  The governing body is a group of 80 and 90 year old men spending their days

  discussing issues of dis-fellow shipping and new ways to threaten the jw masses with

  loss of family and total destruction. This just doesn’t have the same appeal that it once

  had.

  The governing body: These are not men of rocket science. These are not men of logic.

  These are not men of inspiration. They do not feed the good in others. They feed the

  fear and guilt. They feed the isolation and control. They feed the anger and frustration

  that goes along with being poor and losing your family if you don’t follow the rules of

  nonsense.

  There is good and bad in jw’s isolating their children and making them dependent on

  the parent for all forms of stimulation and learning. The children are inspired by this

  type of attention. They are inspired by being the center of the parents attempts to

  isolate them. They are inspired by this mindset; because it works. It is effective; BUT it

  can also be used to educate gifts that will actually help the child to build relationship,

  build friendship, and interact with the world in a fulfilling and textural manner:

  1. Education: The Normal Life Cycle of the family and individuals in the western

  Culture involves increasing levels of independence. The normal life cycle of the western

  culture involves ultimate “Launch” of the children in to independence. That is

  considered “Normal.” in the culture in which we reside. Western Culture is not pushy in

  this regard.

  The normal life cycle of the family involves increasing independence as a child grows

  and develops and learns new things.

  The children have relationship, they build bridges with other classmates, they go to

  each others house, they go to events of significance and memory, they have other

  siblings, they have many relationships, they use technology to further these

  relationships, they converse, they email, they text, they watch programs that are

  creative yet challenging to culture, and language, and expectations of experience.

  These are impaired and (for the most part) forbidden in the jehovahs witness

  household.

  The normal life cycle of the family involves dating and eventually starting one’s own

  family. The normal life cycle of the family involves an “empty nest” on a part of the

  parents. It involves increasing independence in later years for the parents as a part of

  discovering their own interests. These are generally delayed, impaired or do not

  happen in the jehovah’s witness household.

  The normal life cycle involves plans for retirement when possible. It involves trying to

  improve one’s position in the world through relationship. It involves improved socio

  economic position through cooperation. The life cycle is impaired at this stage in the JW

  household.

  The normal life cycle does involve taking care of the elderly when they get sick or are

  unable to take care of themselves.

  Interruption to the normal life cycle can come in many forms. It can come when a child

  moves back home. It can happen with illness or injury. It can happen with trauma or

  death. It happens with caring for another unexpectedly. It is effected by many many

  things.

  For the children, It’s all about independence and increasing independence which is

  generally the expection.

  Having a gold standard of “Normal” life cycle to compare children of jw’s will have a

  clear picture. This could help children understand expectations of society and allow

  direction and perspective.

  2. Strategies for educating through story telling and life experience. Educators

  need to be identified and a strategy of working together to target children of jehovah’s

  witnesses. It could be teachers, guidance counselors, it could be a gym coach. All of the

  educators could work together with a plan and approach. It doesn’t have to be a state

  mandated educational goal from a state buracracy. it could be incorporated with parent

  teacher conferencing, it could be volunteers at school. Everyone can work together on

  this goal and dream through a mastermind alliance. It will work and it is very possible

  to totally educate children of jehovah’s witness to eradicate fear and bullying “mentally

  diseased” ideas.

  Education strategies to date have been mis directed towards educating jehovah’s

  witness directly. This falls on deaf ears as there is no desire on a part of a jw to interact

  socially or constructively to build bridges.

  Many strategies just further the isolation and control of the jw.

  Dialoguing one’s own life experience is a powerful teaching tool. Especially when one is

  angry or upset. If an adult can dialogue to the children about their experience and their

  thoughts at that moment of anger and fear. That can go a long way to helping the child

  understand why parents are angry, or lash out. Telling the story about how you grew

  up and the experiences you had can help a child understand and thrive to no end.

  Above all. Don’t be afraid to tell your story. Don’t be afraid to risk with talking to the JW

  kid. They need that help. and they need to hear that perspective. they need to

  understand and learn to challenge their fears. They need to understand that challenging

  fears one by one; and they go away.

  Build bridges with the JW kid. Reach out to them by being a friend and questioning you

  when they put you off. Reach out to them with a positive spirit. With a kind word. With

  a vote of confidence. reach out to them by questioning them and telling your story if

  given the chance. Get them involved. Help them in any way.

  3. Specific targeting through positive self talk, goal setting, and establishing

  direction for one’s life.

  Marc Victor Hansen and Anthony Robbins speak in great detail about goal setting,

  visualization, and establishing a definite major purpose in life. These skills can be

  taught:

  Marc victor hansen says that we need to write down 101 goals. The act of writing them

  down drills them in to the sub conscious mind and allows us to work on them.

  Anthony Robbins is a success coach that works with athletes and anyone who wants to

  perform at high levels. He is a phenom on visualization and self talk. He would say

  anyone can have success with the right self talk and visualization. These skills can be

  learned. These skills are entirely counter to everything taught by the jehovah’s

  witnesses. but the children can be taught to use this aspect of the mind.

  Creative visualization alone could make all the children immune to thoughts of poverty,

  ill health, and fear of criticism. Creative visualization alone could make children immune

  to the extreme psychological manipulation of the elders and parents. Creative

  visualization alone can help you hit a home run when everyone in the congregation

  wants you to fall flat on your face.

  4. Education RE: definite major purpose, pleasing personality, and positive

  mental attitude. Napolean Hill speaks of having all your thoughts feelings and drive

  attached to a definite major purpose. When you back thoughts feelings and emotions

  with action it creates a powerful force to achieve your desires. A pleasing personality

  and positive mental attitude will help you arrive at your destiny.

  Coaching children of jehovah’s witness to “think about the things they want “ and “don’t

  think about the things they don’t want. Coaching them to “think about, talk about,

  dream about, the things they want in this world.”

  Help these children set goals. Coach them through the process. They will resonate

  with the pleasing personality. They will vibrate at a high level with positive mental

  attitude Don’t bore these children but show them in the ways that you interact with

  them. Don’t give up on these kids. They need the help of the entire community. Tell

  them frequently how proud you are of the. Say it in a manner that they know you

  mean it. Tell them how grateful you are for them.

  5. Specific strategies for achieving one’s definite major purpose in life, once

  establish. Take these jw kids under your wing. Be a part of their socialization

  process. Encourage your children to play and dance and sing with these kids. Make a

  special effort. Plan things. Invite them to parties. Invite them swimming. Invite them

  to play on a daily basis. Just letting them interact with other kids. If they are isolating

  themselves. Ask them about it. If they don’t want to participate ask them about it.

  Coach them that they can choose to participate in this world or they can choose not to

  participate in this world. the world does not really care. The world will pass by the kids

  who do not want to participate. The experience will be gone. the learning will be

  gone. Everything matters. All learning experiences matter. They feed on and

  encourage other learning experiences. These kids need some coaching to develop their

  social skills that they are just not geting from their parents because their parents are

  not capable. Their parents are trapped in the cult. It’s that simple. they will lose thier

  families if they participate in some issues of community or if they break bread with

  apostates. That’s sad. But it’s reality.

  Get everyone involved with these kids: family, friends, neighbors, school teachers,

  ect ect ect. They need special attention. THey have special needs. Give it to them.

  6. Recognizing what makes one’s heart sing.

  Learning one’s gifts can happen by observing what makes your heart sing. By observing

  what makes time not matter. what makes you lost in the moment. What excites you.

  What you prefer to do. What you do because it’s fun and not because of what

  somebody tells you is fun. Those are the clues that will lead you to your gifts. Those are

  the clues that will help you find what is easiest to excel. Many of the most successful

  people and inventors in their field do things out of love of what they do and not

  because the money is there, or the fame, or some form of fortune. They do it because

  they love to do it.

  In the case of inventors, Sometimes doing the wrong thing until you run out of wrong

  things to try will lead you exactly to the answer to your question. It’s as if you ran out

  of wrong things to try. This was true in the case of Henry ford. this was the case in the

  invention of the incendescant light bulb.

  7. Using a “Team Approach” to educate children of jehovah’s witnesses. I think

  one has to walk thought the entire process with the children. There can be input and

  teaching from a variety of sources. In fact, the more sources and learning experiences

  the better.

  These kids need help from parents, neighbors, school teachers, counselors, coaches,

  friends on the street, acquaintances, any and all. These kids are at a social

  disadvantage and they need your help. They need a variety of experiences.

  These kids especially need their parents to demonstrate social skills and develop

  social relationships but they are not going to receive this. They need your help

  instead.

  Normally a child will display anxiety in direct proportion to the extroversion of the parent.

  These children are not going to have parents that display extroversion. They are going

  to need other means of breaking down the walls inflicted by the jehovah’s witness

  organization.

  Thank you for making the effort to examine my work.

  Best,

  Reference: "An Education Model To Building Bridges with children of Jehovah's Witnesses"

  http://www.scribd.com/doc/98212851/Building-Bridges-With-Children-Of-Jehova-%E2%80%99s-Witnesses
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  "The Love of Money" & the WTB&TS always asking for more from the R&F.How long before someone is caught with their hands in the till ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the society does very ,very, well in selling real estate in prime locations , using voluteer labour and donated materials to build new facilities , yet still solicit donations from brothers and sisters to cover costs for the expansion of the preaching work.

  $$$$$ `s coming in.. kingdom halls that the society says needs a facelift , to do so they need to borrow off the society , then payback with interest.

  $$$$$$ coming in.

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  >>> Lawyers and accountants and Regional Building Committee Suppliers and ink and paper suppliers and the like just outright bill Watchtower. <<

  yeah. It costs money to run a business. There is a lot of watchtower overhead (means to launder money). They don't however have a normal business payroll, they don't pay their 7.125 percent FICA/MEDICARE tax. they don't pay their 4 percent worker's compensation insurance. they dont pay their 6 percent to unemployment. They don't pay typical pensions. They don't contribute to all the normal things that businesses contribute to build roads and bridges and all the things that make money velocity possible. but they sure benefit from all that process. I can't help but think of the "Crystal Cathedral" that went bust.

  Let them move to the back country of upstate new york and have their little culty skyscrapers in the middle of now where. nobody cares. I sure don't.
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  Do you think the Watchtower corporation can be "helped" to come clean?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems all humans and groups suffer from the universal problem of being able to see what is wrong with others, but not themselves.. so how to "help"?.

  maybe some paraphrasing of what the watchtower has written about others, which equally applies to them?

  *** w09 6/1 p. 9 they loved the word of god ***[ray franz' book "in search of christian freedom"] was not welcomed by the [watchtower corporation].

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  There will always be narcissists and there will always be narcissistic suppliers. They may move on to some other form of drug addict-drug supplier organization; just not the jw's.

  The internet will rip this corporation apart one narcissist at a time. All dogma's fail eventually...... May take another 100 years. Hell the moonies survived.
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  The Book of Revelation and our Time

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i know there are not many peterists out there but for the sake of argument all you bible believers, a question for you.

  its looking more and more like the book of revelation was written for john's time and not ours.

  the number mentioned 666 is more likely 616 for the emperor caligula who put a statue of himself in the temple at jerusalem, and the first verses in the book and the last chapter all say that these thing will happen quickly.

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  Code my ass, It's giberish psychobable.
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  JW's will foam at the mouth if you pray to Jesus? Do they try to tell you this prior to the big sting?

  by Narcissistic Supply in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it took me 7 years to figure out that jeho's are mortified to sit in the room if you pray to jesus.

  i've prayed to jesus my entire life.

  i tell my estranged spouse that she can pound sand if she doesn't like me praying to jesus with my two little girls.. i tell her and her mom to pound lots and lots of sand if you think i"m going to stop praying to jesus.

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  It took me 7 years to figure out that jeho's are mortified to sit in the room if you pray to jesus. I've prayed to jesus my entire life. I tell my estranged spouse that she can pound sand if she doesn't like me praying to jesus with my two little girls.

  I tell her and her mom to POUND LOTS AND LOTS OF SAND IF YOU THINK I"M GOING TO STOP PRAYING TO JESUS. It's not my problem. I've prayed to jesus my entire life. Never had a problem with it until I met a JW.

  Hell i started praying to jesus out of the blue. Like some crazy person. Just for the effect. Pound sand ladies and gentlemen. Pound sand.
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  Why do the GB need a new Bethel compound if the end is so close? Here is the "official" answer

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as most of us know, the society is spending 10's of millions of dollars on a giant, state of the art, secluded bunker country club headquarters in very remote, isolated warwick ny.. the question that "some" have is, why?

  if armageddon is coming "very soon", why go to all that time & effort & expense?

  why have thousands of jws dedicating their time to this massive effort instead of the "lifesaving ministry"?.

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  if they want to build a golden calf to the sky. Let them.
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  Private meetings banned??

  by franticfran in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have just spoken to a brother who is part of a group of single brothers and sisters who meet together once a week to discuss bible topics and he has been told by and elder that the organisation "banned" these private meetings years ago.

  i told him i remember that article but he is adamant that the society would never do that (!

  ) now i am fairly sure i remember that article whether it was in a km or one of the mags i cant recall but i am sure i remember them saying we needed nothing more than the food that the slave class provided (another means to control us),does anyone have the details of that article because i have said i will find it and let him have it.

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  Batshit crazy!

  Next!
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  You must admit there are some entertaining stories in the Bible.

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought this was funny.. esv: deuteronomy 23:1 no one whose testicles are crused.

  or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of.

  the lord.. kjv: he that is wounded in the stones (lol), or hath his privy.

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  revelation was written by some dude on a really bad acid trip.